Talk:Gillian Anderson/David Duchovny

I will have to do some digging for sources, but I think that the phrasing in the "Third Wave" section of "perceived ugliness by 'snoggers'" is rather biased. I am a primary source for this controversy and was mutuals with people involved in the drama. [I believe some of these mutuals were, in fact, behind the HMSGilligan blog but I do not have concrete proof so I will not name them]. People were extremely hostile towards Gillian for possibly dating someone who wasn't David Duchovny, which reeked of slutshaming. They also took to mocking Peter Morgan as well (it was popular to call him "fish sticks" for a time). I do not know the origins of this term. I also recall snoggers around this time participating in toxic behavior such as speculating on the paternity of Gillian's kids. I remember one person went so far as to refer to David as Piper's father on a comment on Piper's Instagram. --EllieElls99 (talk) 13:37, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, if you look at this revision, all the bias rewrites (including some bulls*it claims that Gillovnys were considered as the Alt-Right in the fandom yaddadyadda) were done by one contributor, a newly created account that has never edited any other article or bothered to set up a User page, which I assume whs either the person(s) behind the HMSGilliganblog and or some of their peers. I decided to not revert the hostile edits because for the sake of PPOV, and because the whole drama became so laughable, but there has been death-threads and doxxing from the anti-gillovny fraction against a perceived "Pro-Gillovny" bloggers, so there is blame on both sides. It is still my opinion that HSMGilligan and their peers overstepped a line with their behaviour. In the end it is just a silly RPF ship, like many other Fandoms have, why people in Philedom have to over-react with doxxing, flaming and bullying people out-off the fandom? Especially if you considered that many of these people are not teens, but grown adults? All that for some virtual signaling/"Gillian look what I good fan of your I am"? Also, I made the huge mistake not archiving all the URLs back then when everything happened, so lots of the URls are dead by now/sources may be hard to find. :-/ -- 21:32, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

I think there might be a way to edit down bias while keeping the integrity of the PPOV. I am currently digging for sources on the whole dilemma, so I will come back to that. Thankfully, someone did archive quite a few of the links posted. In the end, I think this incident is an interesting case of a ship war in that the Gilligan/Gorgan supporters weren't even really in it for the love of that ship. This was my impression at least. I was never "in" in the circles to the point where I was privy to anyone planning to send hate. (I have nothing negative to say about the users I believe to have been behind the HMSGilligan blog, as my interactions with them were always pleasant). Also, I do agree with your observation that boundaries were crossed and people took it too far, especially considering I believe the majority of the players (if not all) were adults. I was one of the youngest in the tumblr X-Files fandom at the time (18/19/20), and the majority of people involved were definitely older than I was with any younger fans I was aware of not participating. EllieElls99 (talk) 16:10, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I can move this back, but if the ship has been around since 1994, is the portmanteau Gillovny really the most popular name for the ship? (Just checking....)--aethel (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Fine by me. The term Gillovny was coined around 2012 and is currently the most popular one, but the ship is way older (portmanteaus weren't a thing yet in the 1990s and the whole RPF thing was heavily dog piled and fandom policed until the second wave of Philedom) ...Snogger has a very negative connotation in the fandom and refers to a more "hardcore"/tin hat fraction or the ship, so I think GA/DD is good middle ground that covers both past and the current... WhatAreFrogs? (talk) 23:25, 22 March 2018 (UTC)